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Post by jordanriley on Dec 26, 2008 15:01:58 GMT -8
not even worth it.
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Post by Josh Wylde on Dec 26, 2008 17:13:09 GMT -8
There are no "rules" with straight edge. It is a personal choice, and should remain that way - personal. You should only be doing it for yourself.
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Post by Sean Sultan on Dec 26, 2008 18:43:55 GMT -8
There are no "rules" with straight edge. It is a personal choice, and should remain that way - personal. You should only be doing it for yourself. I think that joining the military is a personal choice too (unless they bring back the draft). Dealing drugs is a personal choice. The every day activities, like brushing your teeth, going to school, eating, where you eat, how you comb your hair, are all personal choices, but if you don't brush your teeth right either your teeth or your gums or both rot. If you disobey an order from a superior officer you get court marshaled (of course, on a sea vessel they can shoot you). If you don't get their money in time you drug suppliers could kill you in the most gruesome way they can. There are rules to everything even if there are no "rules". That's all part of interacting with a community (even if I hate it). Whether people frown upon something or not could be considered rules. The thing about personal choices is that you also choose to take on the responsibility of those choices. Every thing that you do effects not just you but everyone in the world. If you choose to free the animals in a pet store, maybe it's the straw that broke the camels back and they go out of business. Good, right? Wrong. The owner of that shop may be funding crucial research for veterinary medicine. Or helping to bring down those terrible pet farms ( you know, those places on youtube where the animals are ignored and kept in cages and stocked like a warehouse and stuff that PETA screams about in emails and stuff). Or maybe by shutting down that ONE branch you upset the entire economy. Remember: you flap your wings you could cause a hurricane halfway across the globe. Never pass up an opportunity but DON'T do these two things: 1. Do it for selfish reasons 2. Not take responsibility because "it was a personal choice".
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Post by chris on Dec 27, 2008 20:05:00 GMT -8
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Post by Shayne the Kid on Dec 28, 2008 10:24:22 GMT -8
There are no "rules" with straight edge. It is a personal choice, and should remain that way - personal. You should only be doing it for yourself. I think that joining the military is a personal choice too (unless they bring back the draft). Dealing drugs is a personal choice. The every day activities, like brushing your teeth, going to school, eating, where you eat, how you comb your hair, are all personal choices, but if you don't brush your teeth right either your teeth or your gums or both rot. If you disobey an order from a superior officer you get court marshaled (of course, on a sea vessel they can shoot you). If you don't get their money in time you drug suppliers could kill you in the most gruesome way they can. There are rules to everything even if there are no "rules". That's all part of interacting with a community (even if I hate it). Whether people frown upon something or not could be considered rules. The thing about personal choices is that you also choose to take on the responsibility of those choices. Every thing that you do effects not just you but everyone in the world. If you choose to free the animals in a pet store, maybe it's the straw that broke the camels back and they go out of business. Good, right? Wrong. The owner of that shop may be funding crucial research for veterinary medicine. Or helping to bring down those terrible pet farms ( you know, those places on youtube where the animals are ignored and kept in cages and stocked like a warehouse and stuff that PETA screams about in emails and stuff). Or maybe by shutting down that ONE branch you upset the entire economy. Remember: you flap your wings you could cause a hurricane halfway across the globe. Never pass up an opportunity but DON'T do these two things: 1. Do it for selfish reasons 2. Not take responsibility because "it was a personal choice". Conformist!
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Post by Sean Sultan on Dec 28, 2008 16:29:57 GMT -8
How is being responsible conformity?
And hay, if you knew me you would know that the best you could classify my is as a loner and even that doesn't make sense because I'm fairly out going and have a lot of friends.
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Post by chris on Dec 29, 2008 0:05:20 GMT -8
I think that joining the military is a personal choice too (unless they bring back the draft). Dealing drugs is a personal choice. The every day activities, like brushing your teeth, going to school, eating, where you eat, how you comb your hair, are all personal choices, but if you don't brush your teeth right either your teeth or your gums or both rot. If you disobey an order from a superior officer you get court marshaled (of course, on a sea vessel they can shoot you). If you don't get their money in time you drug suppliers could kill you in the most gruesome way they can. There are rules to everything even if there are no "rules". That's all part of interacting with a community (even if I hate it). Whether people frown upon something or not could be considered rules. The thing about personal choices is that you also choose to take on the responsibility of those choices. Every thing that you do effects not just you but everyone in the world. If you choose to free the animals in a pet store, maybe it's the straw that broke the camels back and they go out of business. Good, right? Wrong. The owner of that shop may be funding crucial research for veterinary medicine. Or helping to bring down those terrible pet farms ( you know, those places on youtube where the animals are ignored and kept in cages and stocked like a warehouse and stuff that PETA screams about in emails and stuff). Or maybe by shutting down that ONE branch you upset the entire economy. Remember: you flap your wings you could cause a hurricane halfway across the globe. Never pass up an opportunity but DON'T do these two things: 1. Do it for selfish reasons 2. Not take responsibility because "it was a personal choice". Conformist! How is being responsible conformity? And hay, if you knew me you would know that the best you could classify my is as a loner and even that doesn't make sense because I'm fairly out going and have a lot of friends.
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Post by brandon on Dec 29, 2008 10:41:58 GMT -8
you guys have no idea about us. i am one of those kids. oh ok. it seems like you have more to say about the state of sXe today. please, tell us your side.
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Post by milofultz on Jan 2, 2009 10:36:48 GMT -8
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Post by max on Jan 3, 2009 13:47:43 GMT -8
It's a joke. Unless you're over 18.
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Post by milofultz on Jan 3, 2009 16:32:37 GMT -8
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Post by jordanriley on Jan 3, 2009 16:51:01 GMT -8
It's a joke. Unless you're over 18. explain.
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Post by max on Jan 3, 2009 16:55:56 GMT -8
It's a joke. Unless you're over 18. explain. Until you're over the age of 18 it's illegal for you to smoke. So if you're under the age, why claim edge when you're just being a good law biding(sp?) citizen? Makes no sense. And the excuse for caffeine being a "drug" I personally feel is a load of crap. Just sayin'.
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Post by jordanriley on Jan 3, 2009 17:02:46 GMT -8
Until you're over the age of 18 it's illegal for you to smoke. So if you're under the age, why claim edge when you're just being a good law biding(sp?) citizen? Makes no sense. And the excuse for caffeine being a "drug" I personally feel is a load of crap. Just sayin'. well..... maybe i am just ignorant, but from what i can tell, underage people find ways to smoke cigs, weed, drink and do other drugs all the time.... and again maybe i am just ignorant, but i don't think doing drugs is ever leagal, and i started doing drugs when i was 13, but according to you i could not claim edge before i was 18?
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Post by chris on Jan 3, 2009 17:09:02 GMT -8
Until you're over the age of 18 it's illegal for you to smoke. So if you're under the age, why claim edge when you're just being a good law biding(sp?) citizen? Makes no sense. And the excuse for caffeine being a "drug" I personally feel is a load of crap. Just sayin'. well..... maybe i am just ignorant, but from what i can tell, underage people find ways to smoke cigs, weed, drink and do other drugs all the time.... and again maybe i am just ignorant, but i don't think doing drugs is ever leagal, and i started doing drugs when i was 13, but according to you i could not claim edge before i was 18? I think what Max was trying to say is that he doesn't believe a kid under the age of 18 could fully grasp what it means to claim "edge" in the truest sense of the lifestyle and the straight edge community. I tend to agree with that, although I wouldn't put a particular age on it, but rather a maturity level. I can remember growing up and being "grunge," "preppy," "jock," "hip-hop," "jock," "emo," etc. all at different points of my adolescence. I never really understood what it meant to associate myself with those lifestyles other than the fact that I looked and acted like the rest of them, so I must've been one of them. Does that make sense?
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