Post by leetaylor on Oct 30, 2008 2:10:54 GMT -8
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I'll Quote my father on this one.
"There is a lot of bloggage on Vintage tone vs New gear tone and I wanted to throw my 2 db in the ring...The best explanation I have heard, explains some of why old gear "sounds" "better"(while sound is actuially perception of sound-so it may not sound better to all) Simplified: Old amps had the shortest, least "cluttered" signal path from instrument to speaker. As new amps came out with more "toneshaping" options, more resistance and capacitance "clutter" was introduced into the signal. Power transformers have less insulation/isolation. Circuit boards are often blamed but the only way a circuit board sounds any different is if it has different capacitance/resistance value and that can be measured quite easily to end any discussion. Some would say it's the new caps but in comparos- NOBODY (that claimed there was a difference) could tell one from the other. The same with Solid state vs Tube rectifier.
Some fool ventured to say Pine cabinets were responsible for the awesome tone of old fender amps...Excuse me, if your amp is vibrating enough to couple cabinet resonance to the tone- there is a problem. While if they truly were resonating enough to affect tone, it was because chassis of amp was shaking and headed for self destruction.
Any amps tone, sensitivity/response etc.. can now be acurately reproduced. I never thought I'd say it...with Digital modeling. -At least on recordings. The success of Modeling amps & pre-amps such as Line 6 ,Vox amps and others is proof. Because much of tone is actually perception of tone, and we all percieve thing a little different, there is a Plethura of gear out there Vintage and Modern waiting to inspire.
I love old tube amps for how they "feel", sound, look, inspire, and the prestige of having them and I love new gear for the same reasons and they have flexability and versatility. Actual tone is less about gear, more about where the tone comes from. My friends tone starts at your heart, and comes out your fingers and hopefully if it's good, makes it to some ears. Rock on!"
- Leon Taylor
I agree, that from the listeners perspective.
You can not tell.
No matter who you are, or what you say.
That is, if "programmed" or "modeled" appropriately.
I'll Quote my father on this one.
"There is a lot of bloggage on Vintage tone vs New gear tone and I wanted to throw my 2 db in the ring...The best explanation I have heard, explains some of why old gear "sounds" "better"(while sound is actuially perception of sound-so it may not sound better to all) Simplified: Old amps had the shortest, least "cluttered" signal path from instrument to speaker. As new amps came out with more "toneshaping" options, more resistance and capacitance "clutter" was introduced into the signal. Power transformers have less insulation/isolation. Circuit boards are often blamed but the only way a circuit board sounds any different is if it has different capacitance/resistance value and that can be measured quite easily to end any discussion. Some would say it's the new caps but in comparos- NOBODY (that claimed there was a difference) could tell one from the other. The same with Solid state vs Tube rectifier.
Some fool ventured to say Pine cabinets were responsible for the awesome tone of old fender amps...Excuse me, if your amp is vibrating enough to couple cabinet resonance to the tone- there is a problem. While if they truly were resonating enough to affect tone, it was because chassis of amp was shaking and headed for self destruction.
Any amps tone, sensitivity/response etc.. can now be acurately reproduced. I never thought I'd say it...with Digital modeling. -At least on recordings. The success of Modeling amps & pre-amps such as Line 6 ,Vox amps and others is proof. Because much of tone is actually perception of tone, and we all percieve thing a little different, there is a Plethura of gear out there Vintage and Modern waiting to inspire.
I love old tube amps for how they "feel", sound, look, inspire, and the prestige of having them and I love new gear for the same reasons and they have flexability and versatility. Actual tone is less about gear, more about where the tone comes from. My friends tone starts at your heart, and comes out your fingers and hopefully if it's good, makes it to some ears. Rock on!"
- Leon Taylor
I agree, that from the listeners perspective.
You can not tell.
No matter who you are, or what you say.
That is, if "programmed" or "modeled" appropriately.
