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Post by Sean Corkum on Apr 13, 2009 11:28:18 GMT -8
If they raise the smoking age, I am gonna flip a fuckin bitch.
Ahem, so, here's the general consensus on how much sense these fuckin age limits make.
"Ladies and Gentleman, I would like to remind you that, at the ripe young age of 18, you are quite legal to influence and vote on how our entire country should be run, but yet you're not mature enough to be able to handle the decision as to whether or not you should be able to poison yourselves with nicotine, tobacco, and alcohol. Don't worry, fuck up the whole country all ya want. We're ok with that. But you better not do some shit that's strictly affecting yourself."
I mean, seriously, what the fuck? We can vote, go off to a foreign country and get our heads blown off, but yet it's not ok for us to drink a beer or smoke a cigarette?
Shit. Somebody explain this to me. I seem to have lost my way amongst the bullshit.
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Post by perry on Apr 13, 2009 12:24:34 GMT -8
It's most definitely bitch status.
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Post by chris on Apr 13, 2009 14:18:09 GMT -8
I'm pretty sure SOME of the tax money taken from us hard working citizens does some good for the community. How else would all these "homeless" teenagers be on foodstamps and still live with their parents? hahahahahahahahahaha WIN |
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Post by smelvinwonderful on Apr 13, 2009 17:50:08 GMT -8
point is if they raise the smoking age im done smoking... i won't be able to stand another 3 years of chris lushas harrassment.....
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Post by Lady S. on Apr 13, 2009 22:30:03 GMT -8
There goes 2 minutes of my life I can never get back.
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Post by ericdietrich on Apr 14, 2009 12:24:16 GMT -8
For the government to tell you whats healthy, or what age something is appropriate is unconstitutional. Besides, I think there is very little chance that the smoking age is going to change. It was just a proposal.
Don't tread on me.
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Post by chris on Apr 14, 2009 16:13:37 GMT -8
point is if they raise the smoking age im done smoking... i won't be able to stand another 3 years of chris lushas harrassment..... Who is this "Chris Lusha" you speak of? |
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Post by Lady S. on Apr 14, 2009 19:33:57 GMT -8
For the government to tell you whats healthy, or what age something is appropriate is unconstitutional. Besides, I think there is very little chance that the smoking age is going to change. It was just a proposal. Don't tread on me. how is it "unconstitutional" for them to require experts to advise you of health risks? exactly which of your rights does this violate? cigarette companies inform consumers of health risks ONLY because they have been sued so many goddamned times by idiots that they wised up. the smoking age will not change, and as a smoker, i don't think it should. until you're legally an adult (and until you're legally able to bring forth an actual lawsuit or enter into a contract) the government doesn't view you as being fit to decide whether or not you are mature enough to risk health. and sean-- for one, your argument is really only valid concerning alcohol, not cigarettes. the legal drinking age was also put into effect due to health studies in human development. and shit, waiting until you're 21 seems really lame now, but once you are old enough, you will definitely understand. at least there isn't prohibition, right? when you are old enough to go into bars, you will be thankful that there aren't a bunch of 18 year old skeezies there with you. the tax is lame, but i prefer it over sales tax on EVERY item. oregon is lucky not to have sales tax, so don't get too greedy kids. enjoy the prices while they last, cause they're only going up from here... |
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Post by ericdietrich on Apr 14, 2009 21:00:13 GMT -8
My rights are violated when the government tells me it knows what best to do for my health, what to do with the money I earned. Its a joke..you're joking, right? Really, you, or the government do not know what is best for me, or sean.
The government really shouldn't be blocking cigarette companies anyway.
No where in the Constitution does it say anything about the government forcing companies to publish propaganda against themselves. Its just not their job. I'm not opposed to Somebody doing it, it really doesnt make a difference to me, but not the government.
Do you know what this government was actually established to do?
To protect our liberties, our most basic rights.
Not restrict our liberties until we are old enough.
Not encourage irresponsible behavior with welfare and foodstamps
Not to tell someone they can't work because they aren't old enough
Not to pay for public school and force people to show up.
Simply, to protect our rights, and thats it.
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Post by Lady S. on Apr 14, 2009 23:05:58 GMT -8
My rights are violated when the government tells me it knows what best to do for my health, what to do with the money I earned. Its a joke..you're joking, right? Really, you, or the government do not know what is best for me, or sean. The government really shouldn't be blocking cigarette companies anyway. No where in the Constitution does it say anything about the government forcing companies to publish propaganda against themselves. Its just not their job. I'm not opposed to Somebody doing it, it really doesnt make a difference to me, but not the government. Do you know what this government was actually established to do? To protect our liberties, our most basic rights. Not restrict our liberties until we are old enough. Not encourage irresponsible behavior with welfare and foodstamps Not to tell someone they can't work because they aren't old enough Not to pay for public school and force people to show up. Simply, to protect our rights, and thats it. the Truth campaign, which is paid for by Philip Morris was part of a multi-billion dollar lawsuit settlement. That is why they do it. Not because the government made it law. if you don't enjoy the rights of our country then feel free to leave. but don't call it unconstitutional. it isn't by definition. the best analogy i can think of to your thought process is when a mom tells a 5 year old they can't have a cookie and they say "but MOM it isn't FAIR" you might throw tantrums or think it's unfair, but unconstitutional it is not. you are entitled to your opinion, but at least be correct in your facts. |
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Post by ericdietrich on Apr 14, 2009 23:49:04 GMT -8
Like I already said, I don't care that the "surgeon general" declares it unhealthy. and I admit I didn't know the story of how the warnings came in to effect, I'll look that up.
But what I am saying is that the government has no right to tell me at what age I can make that decision. And their reasoning behind that is because of their concern for my health. Where your analogy falls short is the government is not my mom. I'm not saying these things just out of my own well-being. The government isn't your mom, or sean's mom or anyones. We all have choices made for us by the government that really isn't their business. Like smoking, for example.
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Post by Lady S. on Apr 15, 2009 7:27:11 GMT -8
Hey, maybe you should keep repeating the same paragraph in a different order and then I might agree...wait, you already have! No matter how many times you repeat yourself, it is not unconstitutional. And If you would really like to prove me wrong, show me the amendment where it outlaws the government from making laws to protect their citizens. Stop being a whiny bitch cause you can't get into bars.
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Post by Cory on Apr 15, 2009 8:44:51 GMT -8
Like I already said, I don't care that the "surgeon general" declares it unhealthy. and I admit I didn't know the story of how the warnings came in to effect, I'll look that up. But what I am saying is that the government has no right to tell me at what age I can make that decision. And their reasoning behind that is because of their concern for my health. Where your analogy falls short is the government is not my mom. I'm not saying these things just out of my own well-being. The government isn't your mom, or sean's mom or anyones. We all have choices made for us by the government that really isn't their business. Like smoking, for example. DON'T TELL ME WHAT TO DO YOU'RE NOT MY MOM! YOU'RE NOT MY BOSS. wtf? are we in grade school? I don't know if you know this...but there are a lot of un-fit mothers out there in the world. Just look at all the tweens that smoke/drink/fuck/whatever WITH the age restrictions. just sayin' AND no, I'm not saying I agree with the current age restrictions. I think everything (including drinking) should be legal at age 18. Other countries don't have a problem with binge drinking like we have here in the states. I think the surgeon general's warning on packs is good. I think banning of smoking in bars/restaurants/shops is good. I think illegalizing smoking in cars with minors is (if passed?) going to be good. Personally, I think cigarettes should be banned in public and/or illegalized. You can smoke in your car, in the privacy of your home, but it should be illegal to pollute everyone else's air around you. This will obviously never happen, but I would be hella stoked if it did. Yes, there are some considerate smokers out there, but for the most part smokers don't give a fuck who is around when they smoke. Their newborn, their co-worker, their wife/husband, people at the bus stop with them, whoever and this is what pisses me off about smoking. I know I'm not any of the smoker's mom, but I do have a right to clean air and everyone has the right to know the risks of smoking. Government controlling our rights, because they have an age restriction on smoking cigarettes? I see your argument, but no. So how do you feel about the age restriction to getting your liscense? I'm sure there are some 13 year olds out there who would make good drivers... could you picture a 13 year old driving, while smoking a cigarette? |
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Post by ericdietrich on Apr 15, 2009 11:04:01 GMT -8
The gov't's job, according to the declaration that this country was founded on, is to secure our rights of Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness. The only point I see you've made thus far that made me think, and wasn't just hurling insults based on your judgement of who you think I am, is that my smoking, or your smoking, shouldn't get in the way of another's rights. I agree with that, I never argued against it. I'm arguing for my rights. For your rights. I've never said that I want to hurt another's rights.
Its not the governments place to make my choices for me. Its the governments place to protect people's rights. Those are the principles this country was founded on.
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Post by perry on Apr 15, 2009 12:35:35 GMT -8
As long as it doesn't conflict with someone else's rights, I think people should be able to do what they like.
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