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Post by travis on Mar 14, 2009 12:08:20 GMT -8
Yes. Hope you found that funny. I don't wanna turn this into another fighting thread, but once again, Feb. 13th. Full on brawl. There was security needed. This thread is about improving the few venues we have, not arguing about how good someone's security is, or if Eugene actually needs security. What can we do to improve the venues? I disagree Where's my logic? Who can stop a fight faster 2-3 people on security or the 100+ kids that attend a show? the reason there are fights is because people let them happen all you guys do is complain about the fighting, but when a fight actually happens, you do absolutley nothing to protect anyone you just stand there and watch Don't complain unless you are ACTIVELY doing something to stop it and no, sitting on a fucking forum and crying about it after every show isn't being active in the solution
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Post by brandon on Mar 14, 2009 13:04:38 GMT -8
Yes. Hope you found that funny. I don't wanna turn this into another fighting thread, but once again, Feb. 13th. Full on brawl. There was security needed. This thread is about improving the few venues we have, not arguing about how good someone's security is, or if Eugene actually needs security. What can we do to improve the venues? I disagree Where's my logic? Who can stop a fight faster 2-3 people on security or the 100+ kids that attend a show? the reason there are fights is because people let them happen all you guys do is complain about the fighting, but when a fight actually happens, you do absolutley nothing to protect anyone you just stand there and watch Don't complain unless you are ACTIVELY doing something to stop it and no, sitting on a fucking forum and crying about it after every show isn't being active in the solution well actually, security didnt do much to stop that fight, they got there too late. the people standing there jumped in and broke it up right away. the reason it went on so long was because there were so many people involved. its hard for 5 people to stop a fight involving 10 people... The security is well aware that we arent fighting Because they laugh and make fun of dancers by imitating them and they do shit like play rock paper scissors over who gets to throw people out This isn't something that any employee, of any company should do lol that is true, they do play rock paper scissors... i still say the point stands, they dont know the difference so they just kick everyone out that moves. It's dope. Did you stay for Atonement? I didn't see yuh. nah i had to leave. i was hoping Atonement would play after carrion remains, but mollys hollow played. i left after their first song. i looked for you to tell you, but i didnt see you.
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Post by travis on Mar 14, 2009 13:27:18 GMT -8
I disagree Where's my logic? Who can stop a fight faster 2-3 people on security or the 100+ kids that attend a show? the reason there are fights is because people let them happen all you guys do is complain about the fighting, but when a fight actually happens, you do absolutley nothing to protect anyone you just stand there and watch Don't complain unless you are ACTIVELY doing something to stop it and no, sitting on a fucking forum and crying about it after every show isn't being active in the solution well actually, security didnt do much to stop that fight, they got there too late. the people standing there jumped in and broke it up right away. the reason it went on so long was because there were so many people involved. its hard for 5 people to stop a fight involving 10 people... lol that is true, they do play rock paper scissors... i still say the point stands, they dont know the difference so they just kick everyone out that moves. It's dope. Did you stay for Atonement? I didn't see yuh. nah i had to leave. i was hoping Atonement would play after carrion remains, but mollys hollow played. i left after their first song. i looked for you to tell you, but i didnt see you. Exactly, only 5 people tried to stop that fight How many people go to shows? What the fuck was everyone else doing? They were standing there watching it happen, thats what they were doing.
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Post by brandon on Mar 14, 2009 13:28:03 GMT -8
well it was in between sets, the place was pretty empty at the time.
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Post by travis on Mar 14, 2009 17:00:17 GMT -8
well it was in between sets, the place was pretty empty at the time. No, no it wasn't There were plenty of people there there was atleast 50 people I'm not making my argument against you because I know that you were in there pulling people apart but what about everyone else? You've all been complaining about violence, but you havent done ANYTHING to stop it all that I;ve seen so far is people on this stupid forum say the same thing over and over again
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Post by chris on Mar 14, 2009 17:37:25 GMT -8
well it was in between sets, the place was pretty empty at the time. No, no it wasn't There were plenty of people there there was atleast 50 people I'm not making my argument against you because I know that you were in there pulling people apart but what about everyone else? You've all been complaining about violence, but you havent done ANYTHING to stop it all that I;ve seen so far is people on this stupid forum say the same thing over and over again Chill out, sweetheart. If this forum is so stupid, then stop replying to everyone. I've complained about violence happening. What did I do? Banned people who have repeatedly been a part of the problem. Is that enough action? Also, I haven't personally witnessed a single fight. If I had, you bet your ass I'd be right in there making sure shit didn't escalate. About security: It's a night club. They are there the other 6 nights a week monitoring a night club. They have live bands one night a week. They're not used to dealing with the kind of crowd that heavier bands bring. They don't understand any kind of "hardcore" dancing. When they see kids intentionally smashing up against each other, they interpret that as intentional violence. It's their job to prevent any violence that may stem from that. Also, do you have ANY idea how much it costs to insure a venue? Do you have any clue how much it could cost them if someone were to get seriously hurt or injured at their club? These guys are just trying to protect the company they work for. Let's have a little respect for these guys. After all, they're just doing their job. And whether or not we agree with their methods, they are there for a reason. And on that note, let's respect Taboo a little more as a whole. These guys could be bringing in way more people to their establishment if they were to operate as a typical dance club on Thursday nights. They also would be making WAY more from the bar. Let's take a second and be just a little bit grateful that they open their doors to an all-ages crowd that wants to watch live music. P.S. I know what everyone's probably gonna say: "The Samurai and Memento Mori can have all-ages shows and not have problems with fighting! If they don't need security, then neither does Taboo!" And to that I say, give it a year of doing all-ages shows. Wait till they consistently get 200+ teenagers packed into a room. Maybe it hasn't happened yet, but both places have only had a handful of shows, and all of them were significantly smaller than the Taboo shows where fights occurred. Do I believe we can stop this fighting bullshit? We'll see. Maybe the non-violence will be maintained at Memento Mori and the Samurai. That's my hope. But also, since the last Taboo fight, we haven't hosted a show there either, so we'll see if we can stay non-violent over there as well. Also, I will talk to the bouncers before the show to make sure they have more effective methods of preventing/breaking up any fights that may occur. Flame on, girls.
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Post by travis on Mar 14, 2009 17:44:23 GMT -8
No, no it wasn't There were plenty of people there there was atleast 50 people I'm not making my argument against you because I know that you were in there pulling people apart but what about everyone else? You've all been complaining about violence, but you havent done ANYTHING to stop it all that I;ve seen so far is people on this stupid forum say the same thing over and over again Chill out, sweetheart. If this forum is so stupid, then stop replying to everyone. I've complained about violence happening. What did I do? Banned people who have repeatedly been a part of the problem. Is that enough action? Also, I haven't personally witnessed a single fight. If I had, you bet your ass I'd be right in there making sure shit didn't escalate. About security: It's a night club. They are there the other 6 nights a week monitoring a night club. They have live bands one night a week. They're not used to dealing with the kind of crowd that heavier bands bring. They don't understand any kind of "hardcore" dancing. When they see kids intentionally smashing up against each other, they interpret that as intentional violence. It's their job to prevent any violence that may stem from that. Also, do you have ANY idea how much it costs to insure a venue? Do you have any clue how much it could cost them if someone were to get seriously hurt or injured at their club? These guys are just trying to protect the company they work for. Let's have a little respect for these guys. After all, they're just doing their job. And whether or not we agree with their methods, they are there for a reason. And on that note, let's respect Taboo a little more as a whole. These guys could be bringing in way more people to their establishment if they were to operate as a typical dance club on Thursday nights. They also would be making WAY more from the bar. Let's take a second and be just a little bit grateful that they open their doors to an all-ages crowd that wants to watch live music. P.S. I know what everyone's probably gonna say: "The Samurai and Memento Mori can have all-ages shows and not have problems with fighting! If they don't need security, then neither does Taboo!" And to that I say, give it a year of doing all-ages shows. Wait till they consistently get 200+ teenagers packed into a room. Maybe it hasn't happened yet, but both places have only had a handful of shows, and all of them were significantly smaller than the Taboo shows where fights occurred. Do I believe we can stop this fighting bullshit? We'll see. Maybe the non-violence will be maintained at Memento Mori and the Samurai. That's my hope. But also, since the last Taboo fight, we haven't hosted a show there either, so we'll see if we can stay non-violent over there as well. Also, I will talk to the bouncers before the show to make sure they have more effective methods of preventing/breaking up any fights that may occur. Flame on, girls. This forum is stupid because of the approach that everyone is taking to changing what they see as bad in our scene People need to take action, and not just talk about it If you see something wrong, then do something to change it
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Post by chris on Mar 14, 2009 17:58:59 GMT -8
Chill out, sweetheart. If this forum is so stupid, then stop replying to everyone. I've complained about violence happening. What did I do? Banned people who have repeatedly been a part of the problem. Is that enough action? Also, I haven't personally witnessed a single fight. If I had, you bet your ass I'd be right in there making sure shit didn't escalate. About security: It's a night club. They are there the other 6 nights a week monitoring a night club. They have live bands one night a week. They're not used to dealing with the kind of crowd that heavier bands bring. They don't understand any kind of "hardcore" dancing. When they see kids intentionally smashing up against each other, they interpret that as intentional violence. It's their job to prevent any violence that may stem from that. Also, do you have ANY idea how much it costs to insure a venue? Do you have any clue how much it could cost them if someone were to get seriously hurt or injured at their club? These guys are just trying to protect the company they work for. Let's have a little respect for these guys. After all, they're just doing their job. And whether or not we agree with their methods, they are there for a reason. And on that note, let's respect Taboo a little more as a whole. These guys could be bringing in way more people to their establishment if they were to operate as a typical dance club on Thursday nights. They also would be making WAY more from the bar. Let's take a second and be just a little bit grateful that they open their doors to an all-ages crowd that wants to watch live music. P.S. I know what everyone's probably gonna say: "The Samurai and Memento Mori can have all-ages shows and not have problems with fighting! If they don't need security, then neither does Taboo!" And to that I say, give it a year of doing all-ages shows. Wait till they consistently get 200+ teenagers packed into a room. Maybe it hasn't happened yet, but both places have only had a handful of shows, and all of them were significantly smaller than the Taboo shows where fights occurred. Do I believe we can stop this fighting bullshit? We'll see. Maybe the non-violence will be maintained at Memento Mori and the Samurai. That's my hope. But also, since the last Taboo fight, we haven't hosted a show there either, so we'll see if we can stay non-violent over there as well. Also, I will talk to the bouncers before the show to make sure they have more effective methods of preventing/breaking up any fights that may occur. Flame on, girls. This forum is stupid because of the approach that everyone is taking to changing what they see as bad in our scene People need to take action, and not just talk about it If you see something wrong, then do something to change it I can't speak for anyone but myself, my band, and Danny, but I just gave you a freakin' novel about what we've done and how I feel about it! Most of the people that seem to do the complaining around here genuinely seem to want to get rid of it, and would do what they could if they knew there was something they could do. (That was a terrible run-on sentence by the way, and i apologize). Anyway, instead of jumping on people for not "acting" on anything, why don't you offer some ideas as to what they could do to accomplish their goals?
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Post by jordanriley on Mar 14, 2009 18:15:35 GMT -8
This forum is stupid because of the approach that everyone is taking to changing what they see as bad in our scene People need to take action, and not just talk about it If you see something wrong, then do something to change it I can't speak for anyone but myself, my band, and Danny, but I just gave you a freakin' novel about what we've done and how I feel about it! Most of the people that seem to do the complaining around here genuinely seem to want to get rid of it, and would do what they could if they knew there was something they could do. (That was a terrible run-on sentence by the way, and i apologize). Anyway, instead of jumping on people for not "acting" on anything, why don't you offer some ideas as to what they could do to accomplish their goals? i think he has, for example; stopping the fights when they happen, appose to just bitching about it afterward, and trying to be more positive about the future shows instead of dwelling on the past.
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Post by ohheyitszach on Mar 14, 2009 18:19:38 GMT -8
How is Taboo setup with their shows, is it a tall stage or floor level? Cause I'm gonna be really bummed if pileups aren't possible at the Run With The Hunted show.
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Post by travis on Mar 14, 2009 18:23:26 GMT -8
How is Taboo setup with their shows, is it a tall stage or floor level? Cause I'm gonna be really bummed if pileups aren't possible at the Run With The Hunted show. You will be thrown out of Taboo immediately if you do a pile up Don't plan on dancing at all Someone got thrown out for jumping around too much
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Post by travis on Mar 14, 2009 18:27:27 GMT -8
This forum is stupid because of the approach that everyone is taking to changing what they see as bad in our scene People need to take action, and not just talk about it If you see something wrong, then do something to change it I can't speak for anyone but myself, my band, and Danny, but I just gave you a freakin' novel about what we've done and how I feel about it! Most of the people that seem to do the complaining around here genuinely seem to want to get rid of it, and would do what they could if they knew there was something they could do. (That was a terrible run-on sentence by the way, and i apologize). Anyway, instead of jumping on people for not "acting" on anything, why don't you offer some ideas as to what they could do to accomplish their goals? Refer to Jordan's response
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Post by danny on Mar 14, 2009 18:55:27 GMT -8
to be honest, i agree with most all of the points here, if not all. it's true that this whole construction of our community is supposed to enforce our ideals about the atmosphere in which is our scene. i think that maybe we're overlooking the fact that we do enforce such rules at the max of our current progression. think: this is a process, and the board is a part of it. it made it possible for us all to align our ideals in unison, and we have. i believe we should aspire to stop the problem at the source and on the dance floor, but until we've gained the strength in numbers needed, the security have been doing the job needed. their methods could be better, sure, but if they had not taken care of some of the more intimidating people, no one would have. it would be the same road we've taken before, and we know where that leads. i'm actually super excited to see this memento mori venue, i feel it's a step in the right direction. more of a community based venue, making it easy for people to feel included, where taboo can lack in that way because of it's huge stage. but once again, everything thus far has made it possible to have fun shows with 200+ kids at each show. it is time for the next step, i agree. more bands. strengthened community. etc etc. so let's, folks. these shows are ours, and Sarah is definitely right, we shouldn't need security. we have the numbers on our side. in the mean time, let's not lose appreciation for everything that's made this all possible.
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Post by perry on Mar 14, 2009 22:07:54 GMT -8
This is exactly the opposite of what I wanted this thread to turn out as. No more talking about fighting at shows. It's been discussed. Improvements the topic, talk about that.
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Post by ohheyitszach on Mar 15, 2009 12:57:51 GMT -8
How is Taboo setup with their shows, is it a tall stage or floor level? Cause I'm gonna be really bummed if pileups aren't possible at the Run With The Hunted show. You will be thrown out of Taboo immediately if you do a pile up Don't plan on dancing at all Someone got thrown out for jumping around too much That's some bulllllllshit. A hardcore show without moving/mic time/pile ups is not a hardcore show, dammit. And yes, it's completely possible for a scene to self-regulate itself. We do it in Portland even before King or Satyricon security has to jump in, we can do it down here. Kids just gotta step in and check their friends. Loyalty to your friends is one thing, but you gotta pull em out of a tussle and call em out in stupid shit sometimes too. If you see a fight do what you can to diffuse it.
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