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Post by Shayne the Kid on Nov 3, 2008 13:46:09 GMT -8
I'm sorry but this is just lame. Come on man, I thought this was a community for the people by the people, not just two people. You can say whatever to me for saying what I think. But outside these boards, we have no "rules" and people respect people and they don't aswell, it's going to happen on the internet as well. If I were new to this site and didn't know anyone and saw the rules, I would think, "Man this place has good ideas but seems pretty boring." It's the controversy and shit like that, which makes things interesting. As well as being able to share music. If it weren't for internet downloads a lot of bands would not be where they are today. The only ones complaining about it are the band that are already well established.
You would think that on a forums, that is directed to a MUSIC scene, which is creativity in it's entirety, would not censor people. I know you're going for the whole, "Everyone feel welcome" theme, but allow people to say what they want. Im not for this type of attitude either, yet I'm not one to dictate.
My 2 cents, whether people agree or not.
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Post by Cory on Nov 3, 2008 13:56:52 GMT -8
I'm sorry but this is just lame. Come on man, I thought this was a community for the people by the people, not just two people. You can say whatever to me for saying what I think. But outside these boards, we have no "rules" and people respect people and they don't aswell, it's going to happen on the internet as well. If I were new to this site and didn't know anyone and saw the rules, I would think, "Man this place has good ideas but seems pretty boring." It's the controversy and shit like that, which makes things interesting. As well as being able to share music. If it weren't for internet downloads a lot of bands would not be where they are today. The only ones complaining about it are the band that are already well established. You would think that on a forums, that is directed to a MUSIC scene, which is creativity in it's entirety, would not censor people. I know you're going for the whole, "Everyone feel welcome" theme, but allow people to say what they want. Im not for this type of attitude either, yet I'm not one to dictate. My 2 cents, whether people agree or not. I agree and disagree. I'm all about sharing music and it was pretty sweet when me and you started bustin' out with all those download links but I completely understand where Chris wouldn't want to be liable for breaking copywrite laws or whatever the reprecussions may be and he says we can share via PM.
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Post by danny on Nov 3, 2008 14:46:14 GMT -8
Shayne, understand that this isn't a forum that's catering to two peoples needs, but there has to be some kind of over ruling voice. Notice, the kids that have been in this "scene" for a while have the same general idea of respect, maybe it's because we're adults, or maybe it's because we were lucky enough to see such a prospering coexistence in the earlier days of the scene. With that said, we will, as a community, have to encourage better ways to discuss or resolve our problems. For example, a thread directed toward Royce would be better resolved in a personal message, swallowing his/her pride and brushing it aside, or personal confrontation (that doesn't exactly mean fight, of course, but either way, at least it's directly taken up with the source.) That means you, too. Getting on board with a better way of working things out, because you know how. These kids came into the scene with the idea that starting bullshit was cool, and gave them some kind of sense of entitlement. And most everyone knows, that was the very same behavior that split everyone up in the first place. I agree we can't censor so much that it just makes a PG example of what we have, and creating some kind of fiction that will soon be destroyed at our next show, but we do have to influence better behavior. If we have an entire community of kids going to our shows that agree that any kind of confrontation is lame, and understand how destructive it is at our shows and in our community, the people that will fight will either see something better than their previous practices, or find themselves in a 300 to 5 ratio, and either stop going to shows or learn to hold their tongue and fist. concerning the downloading, i'll see if we can look into terms of service, but even then, it wasn't made impossible to do. either way, that's a rule that i can understand to be one of those that a newcomer wouldn't know about, so enforcing it might become a tedious task. i'll talk to chris more about that. I understand and appreciate your concern, but think about why we might be doing this.
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Post by chris on Nov 3, 2008 16:20:41 GMT -8
I'm sorry but this is just lame. Come on man, I thought this was a community for the people by the people, not just two people. You can say whatever to me for saying what I think. But outside these boards, we have no "rules" and people respect people and they don't aswell, it's going to happen on the internet as well. If I were new to this site and didn't know anyone and saw the rules, I would think, "Man this place has good ideas but seems pretty boring." It's the controversy and shit like that, which makes things interesting. As well as being able to share music. If it weren't for internet downloads a lot of bands would not be where they are today. The only ones complaining about it are the band that are already well established. You would think that on a forums, that is directed to a MUSIC scene, which is creativity in it's entirety, would not censor people. I know you're going for the whole, "Everyone feel welcome" theme, but allow people to say what they want. Im not for this type of attitude either, yet I'm not one to dictate. My 2 cents, whether people agree or not. This was posted in the General forum on the "welcome" thread by Shayne about 2 weeks ago when we first opened the site: I feel like everyone has the same general understanding of what the site should be about. As most could see on the other boards, there was plenty of discussion about fights and drinking, as well a few people stating that the scene is dead, blah blah blah. What I would encourage you to do as the admin, is make a 'READ ME' stick in the general section. Incorporate basically what the general foundations are for purpose of this site and what we are trying to accomplish. This way there wont be thousands of redundant threads of what goes on at shows and what we want to see change, it can all be in one stickied thread. "Rules," "READ ME," "Guidelines," etc. You can call something like this what you will, but they all have the same ideas behind it. Obviously Danny and I aren't suiting our own needs with this site, as we've tried to take everyone's suggestions and incorporate them. We're not gonna go around deleting posts or banning people willy-nilly. I just wanted to get out in the open what is considered appropriate for a community-oriented messageboard. Remember Eugenerockmusic? Remember localboard? Remember the downfall of those boards? No guidelines to follow. Those messageboards quickly devolved into a platform for people to talk shit about each other, and they both eventually shut down because it got to be too much to handle, or lack of interest. Who wants to post when they know they may get torn to shreds, and nothing will be done about it? When you say "for the people, by the people," I think you're furthering our point. People should be able to feel comfortable here. Yeah, controversy is fun, interesting, and captivating but so is driving a car fast, drinking, or streaking. Everything in moderation. I don't drive my car down Willamette at 60 mph, I don't drink 7 days a week, and I don't streak (very often.) The point is, we can have a little controversy here and there (like this thread you started!) but we can also make sure things don't get a little too out of hand. As always, Shayne, everyone here appreciates your input and we're all glad you responded the way you did because it's allowed us to clear things up a little more. Honestly, the guidelines aren't difficult to follow, and I know we're all adults here. Let's just try to remember that this is a community. Just as fighting, drinking, and drug use won't be allowed at any venue we operate, personal attacks, illegally sharing copywrited content, etc. won't be tolerated here. That being said, let's please, please, please try to be adults and civil with each other.
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Post by milofultz on Nov 3, 2008 17:33:50 GMT -8
I think that controversy is what the Troll Thread is for. Mindless stupidity and awesome convos.
I like rules. Without them, we couldn't break any.
For the record, it's copyright. Not copywrite.
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Post by danny on Nov 3, 2008 18:07:17 GMT -8
"+1"
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Post by milofultz on Nov 3, 2008 19:25:07 GMT -8
lulz. Now you're gettin' it, old timer.
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Post by joshy on Nov 4, 2008 2:20:23 GMT -8
honestly whenever i tell people about the site, i walk away wondering if they will check it out and feel comfortable enough to register and post an intro if anything...
i definitely appreciate the great welcoming comments people have made in the intro section and other parts and not made them sound cheesy or forced.
maybe the commotion about the "rules" topic is the fact that we dont necessarily need it (as in current members), but some new members that dont quite realize the ideas and purpose of the board.
maybe its just one of those things... if you dont think its necessary maybe its not so much directed at you? although, its a double edged sword.
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Post by Shayne the Kid on Nov 4, 2008 15:07:59 GMT -8
My general point didn't get across as I told Chris in a PM. I guess drop the subject.
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Post by milofultz on Nov 5, 2008 0:03:15 GMT -8
mmkay.
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