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Post by milofultz on Nov 24, 2008 10:12:05 GMT -8
I like Sam's answer. Let's agree.
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Post by brandon on Nov 24, 2008 11:07:03 GMT -8
But, because I make the best conversations, who has seen Zeigeist? I would suggest everybody watch this film. It touches on some religious things, 9/11 truth(which I am a very strong supporter of) and the federal reserve. that movie is such bull. lolz.
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Post by brandon on Nov 24, 2008 11:10:21 GMT -8
I like Sam's answer. Let's agree. yeah, and whoever said its all symantics, i think we all agree about these things, but were just using different words. kyle, if it makes you feel better, i'll stop "claiming edge", or in my case, "sorta edge". ill just say "i dont drink or smoke or have permiscuous sex." and im being serious, im not trying to get your goat again. im down with heated debates for a cretain time, but its friend time now. on to zeitgeist!
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Post by chris on Nov 24, 2008 13:31:54 GMT -8
this is just semantics but I never said you weren't sorta edge and by admitting to be only sorta edge you yourself admit to not being edge. You know what I mean? Also, my last statement was directed at chris and not you, and I only wrote it because he wasn't very convincing. I don't know if he knows his arguments or not. My argument: Religion is a set of beliefs, ideals, values, morals, ethics, and codes in which someone chooses to adhere to and/or live their life by. Straight-edge, from what I've seen here, is a set of beliefs, values, morals, ethics, and codes in which someone chooses to adhere to, and/or live their life by. Thus, I would contend, the two sets of beliefs (Christianity, Straight-edge) are entirely comparable. I think some people here like to argue for the sake of arguing. My main point was that if someone doesn't want their idea of Christianity being judged, criticized, or put down then they probably shouldn't judge someone's view of straight-edge. I said it's hypocritical to stress open-mindedness when it comes to one lifestyle but not another. I'm not sure if I could have put that any clearer. I know my arguments, whether or not anyone's convinced is not of my concern. I just ask that you use critical reading and comprehension skills if you want to dissect an argument of mine in the future. +1 to Sam and Josh. Well said.
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Post by thexfischx on Nov 24, 2008 14:37:37 GMT -8
But, because I make the best conversations, who has seen Zeigeist? I would suggest everybody watch this film. It touches on some religious things, 9/11 truth(which I am a very strong supporter of) and the federal reserve. that movie is such bull. lolz. Why do you say that? And you said you drink sometimes. Then why would you claim that you don't? Just drop the whole edge thing. Cuz you aren't, and you are disrepecting my lifestyle. By saying you're edge, and then you drink a beer occasionally, shows other kids that its ok to drink when you're edge.
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Post by chris on Nov 24, 2008 16:10:18 GMT -8
that movie is such bull. lolz. Why do you say that? And you said you drink sometimes. Then why would you claim that you don't? Just drop the whole edge thing. Cuz you aren't, and you are disrepecting my lifestyle. By saying you're edge, and then you drink a beer occasionally, shows other kids that its ok to drink when you're edge. You must have missed this: I like Sam's answer. Let's agree. kyle, if it makes you feel better, i'll stop "claiming edge", or in my case, "sorta edge". ill just say "i dont drink or smoke or have permiscuous sex." Another thought, if you want to talk about examples that Brandon would be putting forth to youngsters in claiming "edge" and drinking the "occasional" beer: Fighting. Closed-mindedness. Intolerance. These are all things that I've gathered from personally seeing, talking to "edge" kids, and in general having a "straight-edge" scene integrated into a local music scene. I'm not claiming that all straight-edge kids preach fighting, closed-mindedness or intolerance. I'm not even suggesting that most do. But it is definitely a prevalent theme in many straight-edge communities, including the community here in Eugene. Anyway, the point is, you claimed that Brandon drinking a beer every now and then while also claiming "edge" is a bad influence on younger people. That's true. But preaching unity and respect and then criticizing or even causing harm to those that disagree with you is just as hypocritical and warps terms like "honor," "respect," "unity," etc. into something that is completely one-dimensional and self-serving (see Danny's prior posts.) What I'm mainly saying is that Brandon seems like a good guy. I am proud to have someone as open-minded, nonabrasive, and easy to get along with as a prominent member of this message board. It's not guys like Brandon that you should be concerning your time with criticizing, putting down, or trying to make look like a fool. The "straight-edge" claimers that you need to concern yourself with are the ones who are closed-minded and cause harm to others for not agreeing with their perspectives and points of view on life and how it should be lived.
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Post by Shayne the Kid on Nov 24, 2008 16:12:17 GMT -8
Fisch, lets say you take a vacation to Germany and it happens to be Oktoberfest. You are still edge. The person who is hosting you in Germany wants to take you to the festival to experience the local culture. Part of the local tradition is to have a beer with a sausage. Would you not want to experience another cultures lifestyle simply cause you are edge? I'm not talking about intoxication your body with endless amounts of beer, I'm talking about just one. You yourself said edge is about riding your body of harmful products, so take this into consideration, minding moderation. Source: www.realbeer.com/news/articles/news-001815.php
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Post by brandon on Nov 24, 2008 16:19:44 GMT -8
that movie is such bull. lolz. Why do you say that? its all a retarded conspiracy theory. the whole 911 was an inside job thing is rediculous. in fact, its so rediculous that you have the burden of proof. i dont want to waste my time watching that thing all over again. i just know that the first time i watched it i felt like it was made with an agenda first, research second. you can make any research match your agenda, the more difficult thing is to look at the plain facts and then make up your mind. And you said you drink sometimes. Then why would you claim that you don't? Just drop the whole edge thing. Cuz you aren't, and you are disrepecting my lifestyle. By saying you're edge, and then you drink a beer occasionally, shows other kids that its ok to drink when you're edge. incorrect. "i foresee myself drinking in the future, but i dont drink now. mainly because every time i do i go way overboard, and thats not what im about." i dont drink at all, but i am not about to say that i will never be an occasional drinker. im just being real about it. also, "kyle [and fisch], if it makes you feel better, i'll stop 'claiming edge'" and i was serious.
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Post by milofultz on Nov 24, 2008 17:31:16 GMT -8
its all a retarded conspiracy theory. the whole 911 was an inside job thing is rediculous. in fact, its so rediculous that you have the burden of proof. i dont want to waste my time watching that thing all over again. i just know that the first time i watched it i felt like it was made with an agenda first, research second. you can make any research match your agenda, the more difficult thing is to look at the plain facts and then make up your mind. Raaaaaaaaaaaaaad. I like your thinking a lot. I never actually thought of it that way and you may have changed my thoughts on the matter. Well done! And you said you drink sometimes. Then why would you claim that you don't? Just drop the whole edge thing. Cuz you aren't, and you are disrepecting my lifestyle. By saying you're edge, and then you drink a beer occasionally, shows other kids that its ok to drink when you're edge. incorrect. "i foresee myself drinking in the future, but i dont drink now. mainly because every time i do i go way overboard, and thats not what im about." i dont drink at all, but i am not about to say that i will never be an occasional drinker. im just being real about it. also, "kyle [and fisch], if it makes you feel better, i'll stop 'claiming edge'" and i was serious. Neat.
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Post by brandon on Nov 24, 2008 17:42:45 GMT -8
well thanks i guess. i didnt really say anything fantastic. i thought i was really going to catch a lot of flak (i still think i will soon...) from people saying that what i said was a cop-out.
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Post by milofultz on Nov 24, 2008 17:58:56 GMT -8
well thanks i guess. i didnt really say anything fantastic. i thought i was really going to catch a lot of flak (i still think i will soon...) from people saying that what i said was a cop-out. If being logical is a cop out, I cop out all the time.
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Post by jayfatal on Nov 25, 2008 0:08:45 GMT -8
I'm gonna weigh in on this subject, even though it has gotten a little tired and we have all established that straight edge is a personal choice and we all should know that by now.....I just want to explain my story and my view of straight edge. I am 28 years old, never one time in my life have I ever taken a drink of alcohol, smoked anything or done any drugs at all. I've never been premiscuos, what do you want I'm ugly and fat(joke!). Anyway, I knew when I was 11 years old and had never heard a single word about straight edge, hardcore, punk rock, or anything of that nature. I just knew it was right for me. I knew that I would never wanna do any of that. When I turned like 14, I got into hardcore and punk, I heard about straight edge, and said "wow, that explains exactly what I feel, this is awesome that there are bands that are singing about this, I like it." That's it. That's how I became edge, I didn't hear Minor Threat and say "that's rad, I wanna be like that" I already was and already knew that it would never change. It is a personal choice and unfortunatley too many people have made it a phase, a way to get "scene points." It's just like black swoopy hair for so many people now. Remember girl pants? hahaha. It comes from your heart, it has to be right for you, not the people around you. I have friends that drink, my best friend is a pot head. I don't care, this is my life, and your life is yours. As far as the tough guys and the "edge kids" that start fights. Whether these people were edge or not, the violent behavior is just in them. If you are an asshole, you are an asshole whether you drink or not. There is no "straight edge handbook" at no point are you told that in order to be edge you have to be a dick to people who aren't like you. There are hardline edge kids, there are hardline christians, there are hardline atheists, there are hardline drug users. Every walk of life has exceptions, it's important to understand that. I just wrote a novel, I apologize
jay fatal
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Post by Jil on Nov 25, 2008 0:32:23 GMT -8
Er. I think everyone in this thread needs a hug.
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Post by Sean Sultan on Nov 25, 2008 1:12:17 GMT -8
second it. +1 jil
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Post by milofultz on Nov 25, 2008 1:37:01 GMT -8
I think everyone in this thread needs some POWERTHIRST!
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