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Post by jmanning on Oct 30, 2008 11:59:35 GMT -8
I think to alienate the territorial HxC kids that we don't want coming to shows due to the macho, holier than thou attitudes and constant fights, we should just STOP playing hardcore. If there is no music being played where its okay to punch and kick at the air, then there will be no punching and kicking at the air! Or at people! Deal!?
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Post by danny on Oct 30, 2008 12:04:06 GMT -8
agreed and disagreed. most of the music has a pretty positive message, so i think the "no tolerance" rule is pretty much what it'll take. as far as booking bands like terror or something, i'm sure the crowd will be 95% prone to destruction. so not a lot of that, but bands like run with the hunted, or band that are hardcore, but are more something you scream along to might help uphold a positive feeling. i don't mean to be biased, but the proof's in the pudding. To an extent joe is right. we bring the wrong crowd and it could spoil this for everbody. again.
not really wanting that.
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Post by Cory on Oct 30, 2008 12:23:12 GMT -8
I agree, but I don't think we should "alienate" them strictly based on their musical taste but their actions. I think this should be a place where everyone can go to have a good time and enjoy the music they enjoy.
Just think, what happens when a fight breaks out at the Wow Hall, McDonald Theater, Hawthorne Theater, Ect. They're kicked out of the venue for the night/show/whatever by security at the shows. hopefully lesson learned.
so....when a show comes around where a band who is rumored to have a "omg hardcore, I fight everything, xxx you in the face!" fan base, I would think we would get some sort of extra security strictly to stop fighting/bickering/drama. We could make signs that say no fighting. No hardcore dancing. or something along those lines.
Personal I hate hardcore dancing at the shows I attend, but I have to admit it can be fun to watch when everyone is aware of whats going on and the dancers aren't kicking 15 year old girls in the face every chance they get.
just throwin my two cents out there.
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Post by leetaylor on Oct 30, 2008 12:32:40 GMT -8
That's a funny concept.
Exactly what part of hardcore makes the dancers dance?
The Skank? The 2 step? The Buildup? The Breakdown? Or the lyrics?
That means no picked up music.... No 2-steps.... You better not build anything up. NO BREAKDOWNS. And don't have some dude yelling for a vocalist... hehehe Hardcore KIDS just need to growup. They throw around the word RESPECT so much that they forgot what it means. Who the F*ck hits a girl? Who stomps someone while "enjoying" music?
Its funny, I love metal shows/pits because EVERYBODY in there is having a blast... Just running or pushing, sometimes some push-suma-wrestling thingy (Its really fun).
Hell, Even punkrock pits are more fun. And they have more respect.
Hardcore music around here needs a new persona. .Period. You can't limit the musicians.
Zero-tolerence. Thumbs up. No Hxc. Thumbs down. We all love it.
We need to encourage healthier ways to appreciate music.
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Post by goredell on Oct 30, 2008 12:45:07 GMT -8
oh wow what a concept. not punching people while theyre listening to music HOLY SHIT!
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Post by danny on Oct 30, 2008 12:55:35 GMT -8
exactly. the music aspect is awesome, but once again the bands that encourage it ("let's tear this place apart") probably should find the next town to hold their show. i want a rowdy crowd, nothing too supervised. but i want to trust the kids know the "if someone falls down, you pick them up" rule. period. thanks for posting austin, joe, and gaydell. it's great to have you guys be a part of this.
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Post by leetaylor on Oct 30, 2008 13:48:25 GMT -8
We can tear this place up in wholesome fun though. That's just their way of saying... "I'm playing music and would like to see some crowd response"
Don't censor our music intake.
The fans need the golden rule. "Treat others how you want to be treated" HAHAHAHA
I don't think we should have to be their kindergarden teacher.
But that is what it has come down to.
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Post by danny on Oct 30, 2008 14:27:00 GMT -8
well, obviously. i don't mean to say that every band that says that means to literally punch someone in the face and rip pictures off the walls, but people that abuse the situation (not limited to the audience) will not be invited back without some kind of formal apology. something to bring to a more humble state, i suppose.
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Post by Shayne the Kid on Oct 30, 2008 14:38:22 GMT -8
Totally on Austins side 100% for this one. I'm not a big fan of the dancing either, but it's fun to watch and it's their way of enjoying a show, just as it is yours to be arm in arm with a friend screaming along to the music. To limit someones musical expression is downright wrong and unamerican (yeah Danny, that's coming from a Spaniard lol)
I also would like to reiterate what Austin said about the concept of respect. Alot of "hardcore" kids that I know throw this word out there as if it were trash. They have no concept of what the word means. They hold false morals and values in that aspect because to have respect for someone you don't treat them the way I've seen people get treated in the past. Getting even at someone for doing some bullshit thing is not respect at all, it's an immature act. I agree people need to grow the fuck up and live by the words that they claim they value and uphold.
All in all, if you limit a style of music, then the whole concept of this site/movement or whatever you want to call it, is nothing but a biased and untrue to what it's set out to be. In other words, it will not be ALL INCLUSIVE.
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Post by leetaylor on Oct 30, 2008 14:50:16 GMT -8
"people that abuse the situation (not limited to the audience) will not be invited back without some kind of formal apology. "
I can see where your coming from dbo. But realistically how much can the band really do if the fans are respectful & responsible?
They could bring their out-of-town "crew" (ha) The one who is running the show should just stop their set, and ask if they could calm their boys down, or not play anymore.
Besides that... it should not matter if they said
"Alright, everybody move" or "Alright, beat the f*ck out of every b*tch you see... I WANNA SEE BLOOD!"
Its part of their performance/artistic expression.
And in todays world, at a show full of ADULTS We'd be like "Dang, they're intense"
I know I would go curbstompin' youngin's. And I'd hope you wouldn't either.
I think this is 99% an issue of drama, lack of respect for others, and ego.
And not the music.
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Post by danny on Oct 30, 2008 16:39:17 GMT -8
absolutely agreed. i don't think the music is at all the problem, i mean, assuming we're all adults. it's been proven the people that listen these "anthems of respect" somehow completely miss the point, and really have their own naivety to blame. generally, most people really love the idea of having a good time, but sometimes people feel that others shouldn't have such a good time. well, we'll have to intervene, and elaborate just how inclusive this is. all bands welcome, all people welcome. I want everyone to have the idea that the second you walk in the building, everyone in there is now your comrade. we're all there for one purpose, and we must be welcoming to those who want to see what we've established. if you want to fight for it, fight for the right cause. Newcomers only strengthen our scene. Fight for our shows by going to them, by screaming the lyrics (or singing, if we're talking about of mountains here), helping volunteer to keep the building running. discuss it to people, or suggest to put it in your high school paper. anything that will add foundation to what we are creating. this is what we make it. let's make it good, and share it. any thing poisonous will be removed. no exceptions.
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Post by milofultz on Oct 30, 2008 20:23:38 GMT -8
Total epic win in this thread, y'allz.
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Post by jmanning on Oct 31, 2008 0:03:43 GMT -8
Realistically, I know its a somewhat ridiculous request for people to COMPLETELY stop playing a particular type of music. But God, what better way to "SPITE" a group of people!? ha ha ha Thats what it seems THEY are trying to do at shows...
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Post by milofultz on Oct 31, 2008 5:32:55 GMT -8
Realistically, I know its a somewhat ridiculous request for people to COMPLETELY stop playing a particular type of music. But God, what better way to "SPITE" a group of people!? ha ha ha Thats what it seems THEY are trying to do at shows... I think you hate hardcore because you were in that group once and they shunned you. It's like Hitler and the Jews. You can't just, you know, exterminate a group of people just because they start shit (or not). You gotta deal with it. I'm sure they don't like you, either. They can't get you kicked out just because.
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Post by Shayne the Kid on Oct 31, 2008 6:26:06 GMT -8
Joe... tell me people didn't move at DOAG shows...
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