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Post by perry on Mar 7, 2009 23:44:44 GMT -8
We're not saying Portland has a bad scene. I don't think Portland has a bad scene. Just imagine Portland's scene without one fight. That's what we want, realistic or not. All we're saying is we don't like fighting. That's it. We want people to be courteous, have fun and settle their differences through a civil debate such as the one we're currently having. I understand you're not mad. I think Stephen just got mad, (in the same way your husband did), because he felt that amber, his girlfriend was insulted. I don't think that was your intention at all, but I think that's why he was so defensive. I think you're right about people needing to stop talking about eachother's wrongs and needing to discuss problems. This isn't an attack or an insult, but I have only seen you offer a solution to a problem once in you're entire time posting, (The whole thing about the Samurai Duck's stage being flipped), but it's okay. I'm guilty of not having my eye on the prize sometimes as well. Let me end this statement with a question. What do you think we should do about our current predicament(s) Sarah?
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Post by Cory on Mar 8, 2009 10:36:48 GMT -8
so....what makes a good scene to everyone?
In my opinion, a good scene is being able to enjoy local AND largely known bands as often as possible, preferably without getting injured (as I've stated)
I used to live in Portland and used to attend TONS of shows. I've only seen...one or two fights. But does it really matter? Fighting happens everywhere, in Oregon, in the US of A, in the world. durring shows, and not durring shows. So...why are we even debating this? other than debating prevention of fights at Eugene shows.
To be honest I wish I still lived in Portland BECAUSE of all of the largely known bands going through there and driving up to Portland once or twice a month to check out a band is taxing on my wallet. I think we could turn Eugene into something like Portland, yeah. Not exactly, just because of the basic fact that Portland is 304823408 times bigger than Eugene and we just don't have the same amount of people living here. but Roseburg can do it. Medford can do it. So Eugene should be able to do it too.
Fights are going to happen. Drama is going to happen. People need to just accept this. Noone is better than anyone. We really should just try to do positive things to improve OUR scene instead of constantly compare to other cities, states, countries, worlds, whatever.
Prevention is always good, but in the end we can only control what we do ourselves.
We are what we make it.
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Post by Cory on Mar 8, 2009 10:41:01 GMT -8
ps, let me know if that even made sense. I'm all jacked up with coffee at work.
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Post by Lady S. on Mar 8, 2009 10:49:53 GMT -8
so....what makes a good scene to everyone? In my opinion, a good scene is being able to enjoy local AND largely known bands as often as possible, preferably without getting injured (as I've stated) I used to live in Portland and used to attend TONS of shows. I've only seen...one or two fights. But does it really matter? Fighting happens everywhere, in Oregon, in the US of A, in the world. durring shows, and not durring shows. So...why are we even debating this? To be honest I wish I still lived in Portland BECAUSE of all of the largely known bands going through there and driving up to Portland once or twice a month to check out a band is taxing on my wallet. I think we could turn Eugene into something like Portland, yeah. Not exactly, just because of the basic fact that Portland is 304823408 times bigger than Eugene and we just don't have the same amount of people living here. but Roseburg can do it. Medford can do it. So Eugene should be able to do it too. Fights are going to happen. Drama is going to happen. People need to just accept this. Noone is better than anyone. We really should just try to do positive things to improve OUR scene instead of constantly compare to other cities, states, countries, worlds, whatever. Prevention is always good, but in the end we can only control what we do ourselves. We are what we make it. there you go. that's what i was trying to say, although my smart-assedness (is that a word?) tends to shine through more prevalently than my actual words allow. there really aren't a lot of fights in portland, maybe once or twice a year, but i would say that in comparison to the size of eugene, it doesn't happen anymore than it does in eugene. and perry, in answer to your question, i'm not entirely sure which "predicament" you speak of. i don't know stephen, i'm sure he thought i was trying to be insulting towards his lady, but i really wasn't at all...so i don't know what more to say. i suppose that after years of hearing about fights at venues, you become more interested in talking about other things. the best way to keep drama from happening here (and at shows!) is to first find out if the intention was to harm or to inform. more often than not, you will find out that the person typing was either joking or just giving a candid response, no insult intended. and more often than not, when someone is dancing, it really WAS an accident that they ran into the crowd. i think people should really be given the benefit of the doubt before people flip out and start slinging arrows. so i suppose that's the most general solution. and really, you can apply this approach to just about any argument, whether online or with your girlfriend... there are few people in the world who are really out to get you. on the internet, it's easier to magnify something into an argument when it's really just a discussion. |
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Post by perry on Mar 8, 2009 17:37:46 GMT -8
I wasn't saying you were in the wrong. I didn't even think you sounded (that much) like a smart ass. There isn't one predicament I'm talking about. There's several. The fights, the lack of venues that allow all ages shows, the lack of bands, the lack of larger bands coming through Eugene, etc. I'm pretty sure once you fix one, they'll kinda start to fix themselves, but so far, there are a lot of problems. The Samurai Duck thing was a good idea, we found a different solution, the cd promoting 541 bands was a GREAT idea. Keep em coming. I think we should work on encouraging local bands that don't have any recordings up, get them up so we could get a serious compilation going, but that's the other threads topic. What do you think we should do about the fighting, dancer/showgoer tension? I think that it would be a good idea to get better security so the fights can be stopped before they even start, then no one gets kicked out, no one gets hurt as bad. i dunno. I'm kinda shooting blanks right now.
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Post by Lady S. on Mar 10, 2009 19:01:43 GMT -8
I wasn't saying you were in the wrong. I didn't even think you sounded (that much) like a smart ass. There isn't one predicament I'm talking about. There's several. The fights, the lack of venues that allow all ages shows, the lack of bands, the lack of larger bands coming through Eugene, etc. I'm pretty sure once you fix one, they'll kinda start to fix themselves, but so far, there are a lot of problems. The Samurai Duck thing was a good idea, we found a different solution, the cd promoting 541 bands was a GREAT idea. Keep em coming. I think we should work on encouraging local bands that don't have any recordings up, get them up so we could get a serious compilation going, but that's the other threads topic. What do you think we should do about the fighting, dancer/showgoer tension? I think that it would be a good idea to get better security so the fights can be stopped before they even start, then no one gets kicked out, no one gets hurt as bad. i dunno. I'm kinda shooting blanks right now. that's just the thing though, i can't really answer your question. in order for me to come up with a solution, i have to first see a problem. i don't see a problem with too much fighting in eugene OR portland. i understand that eugene is trying to prevent it from happening, but i feel like people are freaking out and condemning people before it gets to be a big enough problem to deal with. so, in answer to your question, i think people need to stop freaking out so much. after all, if you're really trying to have a "fun, safe environment," i think everyone needs to do their part. |
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Post by perry on Mar 10, 2009 20:33:49 GMT -8
The 13th show is proof enough to show that this is a problem. Preventing fights is doing our part. If every show a person goes to, there's a fight with that person either instigating the fight, or being involved, that's enough proof for me at least, to see them temporarily banned from shows. Not permanently.
All the people who are currently banned had to do to have it lifted was to meet with the people booking the bands, and apologize/tell them it won't happen again. Too much to ask for? I don't think so. Yet they're still banned from shows.
The reason they're still banned is obvious, they haven't cared enough about going to shows to fix things, and swallow their pride. They're al good kids, there's nothing wrong with them on a personal level, they just need to cool their jets at shows. It's not even entirely their fault, they're just a reoccurring factor.
I respect your opinion, but i think you should come down and go to the next show you can. It's getting better, but it's definitely not anywhere near satisfactory.
You said people should stop freaking out, but I think security guards having to wipe the blood from the floor that came from the poor kids face that got piled on by five kids is definitely something to freak a little about.
I get along with all of them pretty well, but the behavior formerly displayed jeopardizes our scene. When the scene is jeopardized, that means my bands ability to play locally is jeopardized, and that makes me feel a little threatened. I think we need to keep brainstorming for ways to prevent future fights in the future.
Sorry bout the long post.
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Post by Amber on Mar 11, 2009 13:56:48 GMT -8
The last like..two shows I've been to, there hasn't been any fights. Well, that I noticed, at least.
So that's good. Eh?
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Post by brandon on Mar 12, 2009 7:58:49 GMT -8
The 13th show is proof enough to show that this is a problem. Preventing fights is doing our part. If every show a person goes to, there's a fight with that person either instigating the fight, or being involved, that's enough proof for me at least, to see them temporarily banned from shows. Not permanently. All the people who are currently banned had to do to have it lifted was to meet with the people booking the bands, and apologize/tell them it won't happen again. Too much to ask for? I don't think so. Yet they're still banned from shows. The reason they're still banned is obvious, they haven't cared enough about going to shows to fix things, and swallow their pride. They're al good kids, there's nothing wrong with them on a personal level, they just need to cool their jets at shows. It's not even entirely their fault, they're just a reoccurring factor. I respect your opinion, but i think you should come down and go to the next show you can. It's getting better, but it's definitely not anywhere near satisfactory. You said people should stop freaking out, but I think security guards having to wipe the blood from the floor that came from the poor kids face that got piled on by five kids is definitely something to freak a little about. I get along with all of them pretty well, but the behavior formerly displayed jeopardizes our scene. When the scene is jeopardized, that means my bands ability to play locally is jeopardized, and that makes me feel a little threatened. I think we need to keep brainstorming for ways to prevent future fights in the future. Sorry bout the long post. yep! everyone thats saying that this is a huge problem are people who were at the show and saw the sheer ridiculous brutality that happened. everyone who saw that knows that it is a big enough problem, and that was the snapping point that got it delt with. also, i think that most if not all of the people who were banned have apologized and are coming to shows now, as of the last samurai duck show. |
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Post by perry on Mar 12, 2009 8:36:44 GMT -8
It wasn't a show put on by either parties that kicked em out, so they were allowed to go because of that. Maybe they did apologize, I dunno though.
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Post by brandon on Mar 12, 2009 8:39:45 GMT -8
uhh, yeah that show was a nothing sacred show, and john let them in.
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Post by perry on Mar 12, 2009 8:43:45 GMT -8
I thought Wade just put it on. Oh well. I still don't think that they'll be let in to 541 shows.
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Post by Amber on Mar 13, 2009 12:01:14 GMT -8
I don't think it really matters if they are in or not, as long as they don't start fights, or fight at all, would be nice.
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Post by perry on Mar 13, 2009 13:09:05 GMT -8
And they didn't. It was the shit. Nobody was angry at a show for once.
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