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Post by brandon on Mar 4, 2009 23:45:28 GMT -8
yeah i think portland is a bad example of what a scene should be... people fight in portland all the time. the difference is that the scene there is big enough that people dont see each other again afterward. if someone doesnt want to go to shows because they dont want to get hit, then they dont go, no biggy, theres a ton of people that could take their place. here, we have to be careful not to alienate the small number of people we do have.
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Post by Lady S. on Mar 5, 2009 22:42:41 GMT -8
yeah i think portland is a bad example of what a scene should be... people fight in portland all the time. the difference is that the scene there is big enough that people dont see each other again afterward. if someone doesnt want to go to shows because they dont want to get hit, then they dont go, no biggy, theres a ton of people that could take their place. here, we have to be careful not to alienate the small number of people we do have. usually fights break out in portland because of the people who don't go to shows often. you say that we don't see each other afterwards, but we do...the ones who start the fights are the dudes who find it acceptable to push every single person in the venue. normally, this is someone who nobody knows, which is what makes it not ok. the main difference between eugene and portland is not that eugenians are pussies and portlanders are tough. that's not what i'm saying. my point is that most kids in portland go to EVERY show and are friends with one another. it's been that way for YEARS, most of us go way back, and a lot of my friends i've had since i started going to shows in portland years ago. we run into each other because it's funny to fuck with each other. nobody gets offended by that. in eugene, since not everyone has been going to shows for several years, they don't know where to stand as not to get hurt. or maybe you do know where to stand but take offense when people run into you. the ratio of newer showgoers is MUCH higher in eugene. when fights break out in portland, it's either because of a new showgoer trying to be a dick- or it's an outside issue which can sometimes be handled outside the venue. nobody in portland is trying to "out-bro" you guys. it's just a different dynamic in the crowd. i personally like it here more, but not everyone will. and brandon, if portland was such a bad example of the scene, why has it continued going strong while eugene has consistently faltered? i'm not trying to start an argument, but you have to admit this is a valid question with a very obvious answer...
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Post by brandon on Mar 6, 2009 8:47:33 GMT -8
and brandon, if portland was such a bad example of the scene, why has it continued going strong while eugene has consistently faltered? i'm not trying to start an argument, but you have to admit this is a valid question with a very obvious answer... how could portland's scene faulter? there are so many people up there and they already have so many venues set up. they get way too many big acts and have way too many kids to chose from as far as local bands. why dont we look at places like medford or roseburg? these towns are smaller than us but they get huge shows and have had solid scenes for years.
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Post by perry on Mar 6, 2009 9:39:32 GMT -8
I like Roseburg, but there's definitely too many metal heads who don't respect dancers. They were being douchebags, even the singer for Decrepit Birth was being a douchebag.
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Post by Lady S. on Mar 6, 2009 21:10:56 GMT -8
and brandon, if portland was such a bad example of the scene, why has it continued going strong while eugene has consistently faltered? i'm not trying to start an argument, but you have to admit this is a valid question with a very obvious answer... how could portland's scene faulter? there are so many people up there and they already have so many venues set up. they get way too many big acts and have way too many kids to chose from as far as local bands. why dont we look at places like medford or roseburg? these towns are smaller than us but they get huge shows and have had solid scenes for years. so then, by your logic, since there are a lot of people and a lot of venues, portland couldn't possibly be a bad example of what a scene should be. to say that eugene kids are the only ones who love music would be a pretty bold statement. take the satyricon for example. they have security who stand near the pit AT ALL TIMES to make sure things don't get out of hand. if they do, security throws them out. they don't pull the bullshit where they ban people for life. things tend to get out of hand sometimes, yes. but it is always handled properly here without shunning or berating people online. so really, if you look at all of the negative postings, immature comments, and illogical explanations of why people should "be more careful" when they dance- you will realize that eugene has been a poor example of what a scene should be. you don't see a message board where portland kids talk shit to each other online. i think that this site could be a really good thing if the criticism were more constructive and less personal. but i'm also not 18 anymore, so i suppose i see things differently after the many years i've been going to shows. i'm not saying that portland is better than eugene. but i can tell you that i personally have WAY more fun at shows here and there aren't 20 pages of message boards of drama after shows here. eugene can get better than it has been in the past, but getting big heads about yourselves in terms of being "better" than scenes in other cities is exactly what landed eugene in its current position. therefore, i would be careful making such an inaccurate statement.
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Post by perry on Mar 6, 2009 22:24:17 GMT -8
We don't talk shit, we debate in a mature manner, and nobodies been banned for life, just until further notice. I like what we're starting to have here, I do like Portland as well, but I would rather there not be any fights than controlled ones. It doesn't even really matter. All the dancers showed up tonight, tore shit up, had fun and were completely courteous. Things are starting to change for the better, and soon, banning won't be necessary whatsoever imo. Dalin showed up tonight, Dalin danced, there were no problems. All the other kids who have started problems in the past that were there, were there for fun and it was amazing.
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Post by bingham on Mar 6, 2009 22:26:17 GMT -8
HAHAHA i beat up the singer for decriptic birth
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Post by bingham on Mar 6, 2009 22:30:48 GMT -8
I agree, but I don't think we should "alienate" them strictly based on their musical taste but their actions. I think this should be a place where everyone can go to have a good time and enjoy the music they enjoy. Just think, what happens when a fight breaks out at the Wow Hall, McDonald Theater, Hawthorne Theater, Ect. They're kicked out of the venue for the night/show/whatever by security at the shows. hopefully lesson learned. so....when a show comes around where a band who is rumored to have a "omg hardcore, I fight everything, xxx you in the face!" fan base, I would think we would get some sort of extra security strictly to stop fighting/bickering/drama. We could make signs that say no fighting. No hardcore dancing. or something along those lines. Personal I hate hardcore dancing at the shows I attend, but I have to admit it can be fun to watch when everyone is aware of whats going on and the dancers aren't kicking 15 year old girls in the face every chance they get. just throwin my two cents out there. Cory, i got in 6 fights at wow hall and nothing happened nothing happened...never saw those kids before. proabaly travelers to see as i lay dying. Sooo...dont throw out that people get kicked out for fighting, or that it ruins show. I got in 6 fights and forgot all about them when i looked up and saw a famous band i have died to see in the past.
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Post by perry on Mar 6, 2009 23:56:25 GMT -8
It just isn't a constructive thing man, that's all he's trying to say. Wouldn't you rather just be buds with everyone? Respect is what needs to happen. Kids need to respect dancing, dancers need to respect other showgoers (nice job with that tonight by the way), and everyone needs to get along, carebear status. <33333333333
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Post by brandon on Mar 7, 2009 0:18:14 GMT -8
lady s, either you are misunderstanding what im trying to say, or youre just in here for the sake of arguing with me. either way, im not saying that eugene is better than portland, or even that portland is a bad example, per se, im just throwing out that there are a few cities in this state that i would much rather emulate the scene of than portland.
also, i dont know if you have realized, but all the posts ive seen from you have been negative and personal attacks. if you want to tell us all how immature we are, please try to set an example of how we should act, rather than join in on our supposed immaturity.
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Post by perry on Mar 7, 2009 9:38:31 GMT -8
+1
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Post by Lady S. on Mar 7, 2009 17:42:22 GMT -8
lady s, either you are misunderstanding what im trying to say, or youre just in here for the sake of arguing with me. either way, im not saying that eugene is better than portland, or even that portland is a bad example, per se, im just throwing out that there are a few cities in this state that i would much rather emulate the scene of than portland. also, i dont know if you have realized, but all the posts ive seen from you have been negative and personal attacks. if you want to tell us all how immature we are, please try to set an example of how we should act, rather than join in on our supposed immaturity. i am most certainly not misunderstanding you. your exact words were "i think portland is a bad example of what a scene should be". did you not? so if that's not what you're trying to say, then don't say it. the thing is, i was going off of your exact words, and am sick of the "us against them" mentality you seem to have towards portland. i lived in eugene for 22 years, i am well aware of what the scene is/was like there. i didn't use the word "immature" nor did i personally attack anyone. however, if you can prove me wrong, please try. i am not trying to argue with you. i honestly don't understand the point of this anymore. i suppose people will never learn from their past. all i know is that i moved away from eugene because i graduated from college and was sick of all the drama there. if you would like to argue, then do. just count me out. it has gotten to the point where i can't stand looking at this message board anymore because nobody wants to think of solutions, but rather be stuck in the problem. cory is pretty much the only one here with anything constructive to say (even though i don't fully agree with all of his points) i can at least respect the fact that he isn't taking every post personally. your main problem, brandon, is that you can't stand it when people disagree with you. i have kept my composure this entire time, and although i haven't agreed with you, i haven't made a single personal attack. leave it at that, if you would like to continue talking about, feel free to message me personally. i'm sure nobody here has interest in seeing this drag out.
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Post by Lady S. on Mar 7, 2009 18:48:40 GMT -8
Oh geez. Seriously? Come onnnn. Brandon always says stuff in the nicest way possible, I've noticed.. Someone needs to calm down. studies show that words alone only constitute 7% of any given conversation. the other 93% involves meaning, perception, and intention. people tend to take things as more than they are online. read words for what they are. everyone here has been calm and respectful. don't be so quick to accuse others of being intentionally offensive. i happen to be blunt and to the point. i work in marketing, where you say what you mean and mean what you say. chill out little girly, nobody is getting heated. when it does, you can come to the rescue, i'm sure.
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Post by stephen0 on Mar 7, 2009 19:37:01 GMT -8
Oh geez. Seriously? Come onnnn. Brandon always says stuff in the nicest way possible, I've noticed.. Someone needs to calm down. studies show that words alone only constitute 7% of any given conversation. the other 93% involves meaning, perception, and intention. people tend to take things as more than they are online. read words for what they are. everyone here has been calm and respectful. don't be so quick to accuse others of being intentionally offensive. i happen to be blunt and to the point. i work in marketing, where you say what you mean and mean what you say. chill out little girly, nobody is getting heated. when it does, you can come to the rescue, i'm sure. wow ...seriously? your right, everyone here has been calm and respectful except for you, you rarely seem to have anything good say. She obviously was kidding around in that post and someone as 'mature' as you should have been able to tell. secondly , i have seen you say more than once that you find these boards useless and a waste of your time. If you feel that way why do you continue to post on here and in a negative manner at that. You seem to have it out for Brandon as well, he is one of the nicest guys i know and always states his opinions in views in the nicest way possible, while you have not, as Brandon has stated. Also, if yours so into Portland shows, then keep going to them and let us do what we want with the Eugene scene. Although, if you feel like discontinuing your personal attacks I wouldn't mind at all if you continued to post on here. Im just sayin, I hate seeing people who don't even go to shows here anymore making personal attacks on friends of mine. I'm just trying to point out that negativity should not end up being the outcome of every post on here. Yet i cant help but feel a bit aggravated when i see posts that attack others rather than calmly discussing things. I hope to see more positive posts from you in the future.
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Post by Lady S. on Mar 7, 2009 20:30:37 GMT -8
studies show that words alone only constitute 7% of any given conversation. the other 93% involves meaning, perception, and intention. people tend to take things as more than they are online. read words for what they are. everyone here has been calm and respectful. don't be so quick to accuse others of being intentionally offensive. i happen to be blunt and to the point. i work in marketing, where you say what you mean and mean what you say. chill out little girly, nobody is getting heated. when it does, you can come to the rescue, i'm sure. wow ...seriously? your right, everyone here has been calm and respectful except for you, you rarely seem to have anything good say. She obviously was kidding around in that post and someone as 'mature' as you should have been able to tell. secondly , i have seen you say more than once that you find these boards useless and a waste of your time. If you feel that way why do you continue to post on here and in a negative manner at that. You seem to have it out for Brandon as well, he is one of the nicest guys i know and always states his opinions in views in the nicest way possible, while you have not, as Brandon has stated. Also, if yours so into Portland shows, then keep going to them and let us do what we want with the Eugene scene. Although, if you feel like discontinuing your personal attacks I wouldn't mind at all if you continued to post on here. Im just sayin, I hate seeing people who don't even go to shows here anymore making personal attacks on friends of mine. I'm just trying to point out that negativity should not end up being the outcome of every post on here. Yet i cant help but feel a bit aggravated when i see posts that attack others rather than calmly discussing things. I hope to see more positive posts from you in the future. you are acting as if i should know them both. i don't know either of them, and you don't know me. you are making the assumption that i am being negative. all my response to amber is saying is that my words are just words. i'm not angry dude, i'm actually quite calm. yeah, i get annoyed when people say that portland has a shit scene, but wouldn't you be upset if someone said that about your scene? stephen, my point is that i don't understand the "us-against-them" mentality, and i have said that many times. then you guys all gang up and assume that i'm just trying to be an asshole. i'm blunt, that's it. stop reading between the lines and realize that i am trying to be positive about this. i'm sure they are both very nice people, i am not debating that. i'm sure they're both a LOT nicer than i am. however, that doesn't mean i'm not entitled to say something when i disagree. i told brandon to personally message me if he wants to square this debate, because i think he and i are both taking offense when it isn't intended. so instead of jumping on my back about it, let brandon and i talk it out. as i said, 93% of a conversation is how people perceive it. i assure you that if i were saying any of these words to you guys in person, you would know that i wasn't angry. just debating. can't we have a friendly debate where everyone is nice and nobody gets offended? (disclaimer: if the tone in this message sounded angry then it is probably just my personality.)
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